tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post7242771798640373197..comments2024-03-29T15:54:38.559+11:00Comments on Shirat Devorah: The Turkish ShipsDevorahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-18132256278519447752011-09-15T16:55:04.776+10:002011-09-15T16:55:04.776+10:00to followup on the point of Azariah de Rossi, the ...to followup on the point of Azariah de Rossi, the reason contemporaries sought to ban his book, Meor Einayim, was because they disliked his methods and conclusions. That is, for instance, subjecting the aggadah in the Talmud to historical inquiry. for instance, pointing to historical records that Titus died a normal death, rather than death by gnat in the brain, such that the aggadah cannot be joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-58961464907284495572011-09-15T09:31:28.550+10:002011-09-15T09:31:28.550+10:00Even if that picture of 4 Turkish frigates is real...Even if that picture of 4 Turkish frigates is real, it hardly represents so big a threat as that referred to by YBUziel, where fleets join legions. One drone can wipe these 4 off the face of the earth. I only hope Israel doesn't lose gumption from misplaced mercy. Turks can be quite cruel - and genocidal to boot.in the vanguardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796434751654291581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-50910124439047274072011-09-15T08:56:04.889+10:002011-09-15T08:56:04.889+10:00again, oy.
"Secondly I do not know why the G...again, oy.<br /><br />"Secondly I do not know why the Geonim and the early Rishonim do not refer to this peirush."<br /><br />So what is your evidence that it existed then? Why should you assume that it existed, and then have to create **prophecy** as an explanation for an anachronism in language, among other anachronisms. indeed, an anachronism which is not labeled as 'I am hereby joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-63597577261985690192011-09-15T08:35:55.646+10:002011-09-15T08:35:55.646+10:00Haven't watched it, but here is a Rabbi Glazer...Haven't watched it, but here is a Rabbi Glazerson video of the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2-XGbgkajI&feature=uploademail" rel="nofollow">Torah Codes: Egypt and Turkey</a>Devorahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-66524093480737266722011-09-15T06:56:23.280+10:002011-09-15T06:56:23.280+10:00My second note is to Josh Waxman. I agreed with y...My second note is to Josh Waxman. I agreed with you that the Gemorrah is silent on whether Yonatan be Uziel wrote a peirush on the Torah. But that does not mean that he did not write one. Secondly I do not know why the Geonim and the early Rishonim do not refer to this peirush. Yet, the witness that you brought down on your website who saw the Targum Yerushalmi going by the title of the Dov Bar-Leibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15915682856620634130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-52725348116995822632011-09-15T06:33:38.382+10:002011-09-15T06:33:38.382+10:00First of all this is the best translation of the A...First of all this is the best translation of the Aramaic of the Targum Yonatan that I can come up with:<br /><br />Fleets of ships will threaten with all sorts of weapons. The will depart with a large crew (population) from Lombarnya and from the land of Italy. And (they) will join up with legions that will depart from Costantina and will cause pain to Assyria and will subjugate all the Dov Bar-Leibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15915682856620634130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-54511414121254890132011-09-15T04:59:17.074+10:002011-09-15T04:59:17.074+10:00yaak already provided two translations of the Targ...yaak already provided two translations of the Targum, in his post on his blog which he linked to above.<br /><br />he also analyzes it according to each of the possible translations. and finds it extremely forced, despite really wanting it to work.<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-66189302055354089552011-09-15T03:09:53.378+10:002011-09-15T03:09:53.378+10:00josh your right on target. unfortunelty this kind ...josh your right on target. unfortunelty this kind of tricks are more than frequentFofohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17055407468055557556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-62741991508335232622011-09-15T00:03:14.366+10:002011-09-15T00:03:14.366+10:00i second in the vanguard. forget the scorffers, do...i second in the vanguard. forget the scorffers, dov bar leib, please reach out to us and among us who do not kno w hebrew. in some places of the world things are pretty bleak, and its articles or explanations like yours that prod us to remember Hashem's Master Plan is there, and we pray its now the time, though i do realise only He knows the time exact. please give us the translation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-63679458112648347512011-09-14T21:17:42.104+10:002011-09-14T21:17:42.104+10:00" So this unpleasant fact has lead many a sco..." So this unpleasant fact has lead many a scoffer to deny that Yonatan ben Uziel ever wrote such a peirush on the Torah."<br /><br />oy.<br /><br />how about that the gemara, geonim and early rishonim don't discuss the existence of such a targum, that it is similar in language and content to targum yerushalmi, and that we have testimony from someone who saw a targum yerushalmi goingjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-49900342091326392332011-09-14T16:46:16.296+10:002011-09-14T16:46:16.296+10:00The aid ships are from Europe and the US i.e. the ...The aid ships are from Europe and the US i.e. the spiritual heirs of Rome/Italy, so this all fits.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01822162683765760896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-70723521930691722932011-09-14T16:22:10.978+10:002011-09-14T16:22:10.978+10:00Here's something you need to know - the Turks ...Here's something you need to know - the Turks can't fight. <br /><br />They're blowholes with no brains. You do the math what someone with a lot of hot air and no way of maneuvering in deep waters will resort to *fighting*. It's be brief, bloody and ultimately will fail. Nerve they have, and that's all in their possession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-41724868393419448122011-09-14T14:15:48.379+10:002011-09-14T14:15:48.379+10:00Lombardi may be represented after all. Turkey is a...Lombardi may be represented after all. Turkey is a member of NATO, and where Turkey goes, NATO goes. In fact, do you think Turkey would be brazen enough to try this if NATO wasn't backing him?Yonatannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-74695722986435653532011-09-14T13:39:02.840+10:002011-09-14T13:39:02.840+10:00Dov Bar-Laib, forget the scoffers. Could you pleas...Dov Bar-Laib, forget the scoffers. Could you please finish for me that translation you left off in the middle. I have no good sefer with the translation and yours would be a boon. Thanks much in advance!in the vanguardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796434751654291581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-29115626619713817632011-09-14T12:09:25.917+10:002011-09-14T12:09:25.917+10:00I don't remember any of that. And it's onl...I don't remember any of that. And it's only a year ago. Seems like 100 years ago.Devorahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-86194924320488905612011-09-14T11:56:43.330+10:002011-09-14T11:56:43.330+10:00Also, note this post from last year.Also, note <a href="http://yeranenyaakov.blogspot.com/2010/06/was-flotilla-incident-predicted.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a> from last year.yaakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08179304707239865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-71137343462761447612011-09-14T09:54:17.453+10:002011-09-14T09:54:17.453+10:00Ah, I commented this back on July 1st on my blog. ...Ah, I commented this back on July 1st on my blog. The Targum Yonatan's Aramaic is a bit difficult here. "Fleets of ships will threaten with all sorts of weapons. They will depart with a large crew from Lombarnia, in the land of Italy. And they will join up with legions that will depart from Costantina (for some reason the Nun is missing) and will afflict the sons of Ever....<br /><brDov Bar-Leibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15915682856620634130noreply@blogger.com