YW, Devorah, a friend sent it so I decided to post it. The reason i had stopped typing non-anonymously is due to another commenter, and which then abnormally coincided with something else. So I took a break, then resumed anonymously. BTW, while on the one hand there's Trump's win, did you know the horrible Proposition One passed by nearly 2/3 in leftist-dominated NY?
I didn't know, I'm not an American so there's a lot I don't see or don't wish to see, but I googled and found this https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/new-york-proposition-1-equal-rights-act/
Yes. Chazal say ALL JEWS HAVE A HELIG IN OLAM HABA. But I'd rather live eternity in my 310 worlds instead of 300 or 100 or less... Although reading kabbala tells me as a ger maybe I also get less. -leah
Yes. Chazal say ALL JEWS HAVE A HELIG IN OLAM HABA. But I'd rather live eternity in my 310 worlds instead of 300 or 100 or less... Although reading kabbala tells me as a ger maybe I also get less. -leah.....why do gerim get less???
Any wonder that Spain was flooded https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1egkenz1x Spain blocks docking of 2 US ships 'suspected of carrying arms to Israel'
It is my understanding that shamayim is not olam haba. No one has seen olam haba, not even tzaddikim. So, your interpretation Leah is incorrect. Rebecca
Thanks Rebecca. Maybe you're saying if one dies, the level in Gan eden is specific to geirim? But one's place in olam haba no one can know? I also heard Avraham is there too because it's the closest to gehenim that he be able to pull out the circumcised..so...can't be too bad.. -leah
Anonymous said... Kaballa. I read re: the levels of shemayim, gerirm only get the first level. But love to hear more... -leah......where exactly did you see this - which book?
I really don't think that Rus or Basya will be on a different level. Here is some 'kabbala' information so those converts reading do not get discouraged by your upsetting remarks: A story is told about a holy and righteous convert named Avraham ben Avraham, who lived during the time of the Vilna Gaon. Originally known as Count Valentine Potoky, Avraham abandoned Catholicism and became a true Torah scholar.
His family had some respect for Jews, which was uncommon for nobles at that time. However, when his family failed to persuade him to abandon his Jewish ways and return to Catholicism, Avraham was sentenced to death by burning at a stake in Vilna. Despite the threat to his life, Avraham refused to renounce his Judaism and remained steadfast in his faith until the very end.
His unwavering emunah was so potent that even the Vilna Gaon offered to employ Kabbalah Ma’assit (Practical Kabbalah) to save Avraham ben Avraham from his impending execution. However, Avraham adamantly refused, preferring to die Al Kiddush Hashem (in sanctification of God’s name) instead. Even when his mother pleaded with him to renounce his Jewish faith, Avraham responded with a resolute declaration, “I love you, but I love the truth even more.”
While imprisoned, Avraham expressed his concern to the Vilna Gaon, confessing that he had no ancestral merits to rely on in the afterlife. The Vilna Gaon, however, consoled him with a comforting message, assuring him that it was not true. Unlike other people who have their family genealogy, Jewish converts can count on Hashem to secure them merits.
In essence, just as Hashem has no parents, Jewish converts trace their lineage directly to the Creator.
Of course [genuine] converts are Jews. Leah is asking what level gerim have in Shamayim. She just needs to provide a source for that statement, so far we don't have one.
On page 18 in the book of Beraishis, in "The Midrash Says" : ...R. Yohoshua ben Laivi...sent back the following report to R. Gamliel and the Sages: "I found seven houses in Gan Eden. In the first house which is located at the first entrance to the garden, are seated the gentiles who became gairim and keep the Torah of their own accord, not due to external pressure. This house has glass walls and cedar beams. The righteous prophet Ovadya (himself of Edomite descent and a gair) is in charge of them... Then it covers the other descriptions of the levels of Gan Eden. So, the description of Gan Eden do not reflect "Olam Haba". So, please give your source, Leah, if you have one regarding gairim not having the same olam haba as born Jews from birth.
Here is a quote from the Orthodox Union regarding Olam Haba: The “World-to-Come”; the “place” of Reward for the Righteous, where Hashem completes His “payment” to them, “Midah K’neged Midah,” Measure for Measure,” in spiritual terms, a Fundamental Belief and Article of Faith of the Jewish Religion.
Described as where the “Righteous sit with their crowns on their heads, and derive pleasure from the Radiance of the Divine Presence.”
Also described as “The World of Truth.”
And also described by King David as “No eye has seen it, O L-rd, but Yours.”
The “World-to-Come”; the “place” of Reward for the Righteous, where Hashem completes His “payment” to them, “Midah K’neged Midah,” Measure for Measure,” in spiritual terms, a Fundamental Belief and Article of Faith of the Jewish Religion.
Described as where the “Righteous sit with their crowns on their heads, and derive pleasure from the Radiance of the Divine Presence.”
Also described as “The World of Truth.”
And also described by King David as “No eye has seen it, O L-rd, but Yours.”
-Rebecca I also posted something earlier from the Midrash Says, but don't recall if I posted my name.
You are all doing chaknasat ger and Hashem should reward you all. Yes, a fellow ger pointed this whole thing to me and I too believe it to be Gan eden only as there is no source in Tanach even speaking of olam haba for us to know. It was a Kabbala source. I also read myself a ger is the bark on the tree and a jew is the tree, in Kaballa. I feel very close to Hashem. I will take all, anything He has to give me here, there and everywhere including all your regard. Tx -leah
Chassidus [which is Kabbalah brought down to a basic level] teaches that a true Ger always had a Jewish soul, but it was hanging over their heads. They had to got through a conversion to bring the Jewish soul into their body.
Also, I'm not sure any of us on this holy chat will even see Gan eden as we will live straight through till geula on earth. But if I do, CEDAR IS FANTASTIC. I will enjoy it very much. -lrah
Yes. Devorah. I only think about the rectification of the body and soul. This soul of mine is for sure a GILGUL and I cherish it like a GIFT. But the body? Mystified as to how they all match back up... -leah
R' Fingerer excitedly speaks of Trump, Koresh, Lech-Lecha:
ReplyDeletehttps://torahanytime.com/lectures/330509
That looks interesting, thank you.
ReplyDeleteAccording to the Chabad Rebbe , R Schneerson, everyone will be saved
ReplyDeleteNo Jew left behind, is what he said.
ReplyDeleteYW, Devorah, a friend sent it so I decided to post it. The reason i had stopped typing non-anonymously is due to another commenter, and which then abnormally coincided with something else. So I took a break, then resumed anonymously. BTW, while on the one hand there's Trump's win, did you know the horrible Proposition One passed by nearly 2/3 in leftist-dominated NY?
ReplyDeleteI didn't know, I'm not an American so there's a lot I don't see or don't wish to see, but I googled and found this
ReplyDeletehttps://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/new-york-proposition-1-equal-rights-act/
Yes. Chazal say ALL JEWS HAVE A HELIG IN OLAM HABA.
ReplyDeleteBut I'd rather live eternity in my 310 worlds instead of 300 or 100 or less...
Although reading kabbala tells me as a ger maybe I also get less.
-leah
Yes. Chazal say ALL JEWS HAVE A HELIG IN OLAM HABA.
ReplyDeleteBut I'd rather live eternity in my 310 worlds instead of 300 or 100 or less...
Although reading kabbala tells me as a ger maybe I also get less.
-leah.....why do gerim get less???
Where does it say that a ger gets less olam haba than a born Jew? what a thing to say! Any rabbis here?
ReplyDeleteKaballa. I read re: the levels of shemayim, gerirm only get the first level. But love to hear more...
ReplyDelete-leah
Any wonder that Spain was flooded
ReplyDeletehttps://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1egkenz1x
Spain blocks docking of 2 US ships 'suspected of carrying arms to Israel'
It is my understanding that shamayim is not olam haba. No one has seen olam haba, not even tzaddikim. So, your interpretation Leah is incorrect.
ReplyDeleteRebecca
Thanks Rebecca. Maybe you're saying if one dies, the level in Gan eden is specific to geirim? But one's place in olam haba no one can know? I also heard Avraham is there too because it's the closest to gehenim that he be able to pull out the circumcised..so...can't be too bad..
ReplyDelete-leah
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteKaballa. I read re: the levels of shemayim, gerirm only get the first level. But love to hear more...
-leah......where exactly did you see this - which book?
I really don't think that Rus or Basya will be on a different level. Here is some 'kabbala' information so those converts reading do not get discouraged by your upsetting remarks: A story is told about a holy and righteous convert named Avraham ben Avraham, who lived during the time of the Vilna Gaon. Originally known as Count Valentine Potoky, Avraham abandoned Catholicism and became a true Torah scholar.
ReplyDeleteHis family had some respect for Jews, which was uncommon for nobles at that time. However, when his family failed to persuade him to abandon his Jewish ways and return to Catholicism, Avraham was sentenced to death by burning at a stake in Vilna. Despite the threat to his life, Avraham refused to renounce his Judaism and remained steadfast in his faith until the very end.
His unwavering emunah was so potent that even the Vilna Gaon offered to employ Kabbalah Ma’assit (Practical Kabbalah) to save Avraham ben Avraham from his impending execution. However, Avraham adamantly refused, preferring to die Al Kiddush Hashem (in sanctification of God’s name) instead. Even when his mother pleaded with him to renounce his Jewish faith, Avraham responded with a resolute declaration, “I love you, but I love the truth even more.”
While imprisoned, Avraham expressed his concern to the Vilna Gaon, confessing that he had no ancestral merits to rely on in the afterlife. The Vilna Gaon, however, consoled him with a comforting message, assuring him that it was not true. Unlike other people who have their family genealogy, Jewish converts can count on Hashem to secure them merits.
In essence, just as Hashem has no parents, Jewish converts trace their lineage directly to the Creator.
Is this blog not recognizing converts as Jews? That comment is concerning. Rebecca
ReplyDeleteOf course [genuine] converts are Jews. Leah is asking what level gerim have in Shamayim. She just needs to provide a source for that statement, so far we don't have one.
ReplyDeleteOn page 18 in the book of Beraishis, in "The Midrash Says" :
ReplyDelete...R. Yohoshua ben Laivi...sent back the following report to R. Gamliel and the Sages: "I found seven houses in Gan Eden. In the first house which is located at the first entrance to the garden, are seated the gentiles who became gairim and keep the Torah of their own accord, not due to external pressure. This house has glass walls and cedar beams. The righteous prophet Ovadya (himself of Edomite descent and a gair) is in charge of them...
Then it covers the other descriptions of the levels of Gan Eden. So, the description of Gan Eden do not reflect "Olam Haba". So, please give your source, Leah, if you have one regarding gairim not having the same olam haba as born Jews from birth.
Here is a quote from the Orthodox Union regarding Olam Haba:
ReplyDeleteThe “World-to-Come”; the “place” of Reward for the Righteous, where Hashem completes His “payment” to them, “Midah K’neged Midah,” Measure for Measure,” in spiritual terms, a Fundamental Belief and Article of Faith of the Jewish Religion.
Described as where the “Righteous sit with their crowns on their heads, and derive pleasure from the Radiance of the Divine Presence.”
Also described as “The World of Truth.”
And also described by King David as “No eye has seen it, O L-rd, but Yours.”
The “World-to-Come”; the “place” of Reward for the Righteous, where Hashem completes His “payment” to them, “Midah K’neged Midah,” Measure for Measure,” in spiritual terms, a Fundamental Belief and Article of Faith of the Jewish Religion.
ReplyDeleteDescribed as where the “Righteous sit with their crowns on their heads, and derive pleasure from the Radiance of the Divine Presence.”
Also described as “The World of Truth.”
And also described by King David as “No eye has seen it, O L-rd, but Yours.”
-Rebecca
I also posted something earlier from the Midrash Says, but don't recall if I posted my name.
You are all doing chaknasat ger and Hashem should reward you all. Yes, a fellow ger pointed this whole thing to me and I too believe it to be Gan eden only as there is no source in Tanach even speaking of olam haba for us to know. It was a Kabbala source. I also read myself a ger is the bark on the tree and a jew is the tree, in Kaballa. I feel very close to Hashem. I will take all, anything He has to give me here, there and everywhere including all your regard. Tx
ReplyDelete-leah
Chassidus [which is Kabbalah brought down to a basic level] teaches that a true Ger always had a Jewish soul, but it was hanging over their heads. They had to got through a conversion to bring the Jewish soul into their body.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I'm not sure any of us on this holy chat will even see Gan eden as we will live straight through till geula on earth. But if I do, CEDAR IS FANTASTIC. I will enjoy it very much.
ReplyDelete-lrah
Yes. Devorah.
ReplyDeleteI only think about the rectification of the body and soul. This soul of mine is for sure a GILGUL and I cherish it like a GIFT. But the body? Mystified as to how they all match back up...
-leah