Rabbi Efraim Palvanov
Who are the Erev Rav, the “Mixed Multitude”, first mentioned in Exodus? How do they return and manifest in every generation? And why are they locked in a cosmic battle with Moses that spans all of human history? Find out in this class as we being to explore the mysterious and dangerous Erev Rav phenomenon, and what we can do to defeat this ideology—which the Zohar says is a necessary precursor to the Final Redemption and the forthcoming Messianic Age.
This is excellent. I have not heard anyone explain the Erev Rav so well. Only halfway thru at the moment but I highly recommend this.
ReplyDeleteI did actually listen to the entire lecture, just in case anyone wants to know. I'm one of the main culprits in not finishing an entire video but that's because my attention deficit kicks in and I have to do something else and go back to it. And sometimes I get side-tracked... but this time I did hear the whole thing.
DeleteThank you so much.
ReplyDeletewill listen now.
Hello allow me to introduce myself. My name is Professor Okeshov Petrenovh. I am a ethnolinguist and professor in Cheylabinsk, Russia. I have an interest in the erev rav ever since I found a group of 7,000 families in Ulan Ude who have Egyptian surnames and speak Hebrew. In fact they themselves that they are the erev rav. Strange enough, I am descended from one of these families and I have a few supernatural powers I have revealed to no one. Telekenesis and telepathy are just a few. I am also a metal detector and have found buried treasure using my extra sensory perception. I look forward to listening to this lesson and comparing it to my personal experiences
ReplyDeleteExtraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
DeleteLots of information to unpack here. What I found was that there were conspicuous gaps in giving over the information. There was a great deal of certainty conveyed here but those who know the source texts will find the conclusions far less convincing or even misleading and false. There seems to have been an ironic blending of Torah and secular that can be confusing for some. There’s certainly validity to many of the criticisms of Orthodox practices but mostly out of ignorance of the actual roots of many of these customs. There are contradictory statements and the conclusion is perhaps the most shocking element- to purposely defund and cancel Jewish groups that hold positions anywhere but radically centrist Zionism and outright Hellenistic ideology. I would caution viewers to be careful to discard the peels from the fruits because he brings together a great deal of valuable information, but the context is coercive and the omission from the source texts makes it seem empirical. The idea that to rectify the Erev Rav is to marginalise Torah learning and replace it with quasi Jewish nationalism, physical fitness and secular learning is closer to Yerovam Ben Nebat’s formula for national unity and military dominance than I have comfort with. The danger isn’t that any of these ideas themselves are necessarily evil, it’s just that some communities are better suited to be scholars than others and without them, we would be lost, regardless of their shortcomings in other areas. His main thesis is that divisive leadership is the chief of the traits of the Erev Rav but he ends the lecture with a call to boycott divest and sanction Haredim and Hasidim and attempt to pull them towards the left, and somehow pull the Reform towards the right in order to bring geula. His standpoint is what I would term as radical centrism, he holds very highly of Rambam and the Lubavicher Rebbe, but criticises traditional livush (Jewish dress) as “galut mentality”. Unfortunately, he seems to have inadvertently accomplished the exact opposite of what he set out to do. I think that the principle that the yetzer hara resides in the intellect is applicable here, and that he’s quite confused because the Torah cannot be grasped solely by the intellect, as much as he may try with his intellectual abilities. He would do well to examine his own heart and mind for traces of hametz and understand that the only way to rectify the Erev Rav is by rectifying the residue that lies within ourselves. That in turn creates a sympathetic resonance within others.
ReplyDeleteAmazing comment Nobody Special.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad he mentioned the Lubavitcher Rebbe praying at the grave of his father-in-law but the reason he gave for that was not convincing enough to negate the fact that we do daven at graves of tzadikim and it's not problematic, we are still praying to Hashem.
But I do understand what he's getting at.... the possibility that the Tzadik becomes more important than Hashem, chas v'shalom.
As for the sport and education aspects, I totally understand what he's saying, I know of young boys sent to Yeshiva who don't do any physical activities, and I also know of "rabbis" who can't write a sentence without a spelling or grammar error. I think that's a real problem.
He probably needs to fine tune Part 2 and clarify things that could be misunderstood - and take note of the things you mention.
I feel like anything he says is going to be twisted out of context by someone who doesn't like what they are hearing.
DeleteDovid Ha'Melech and Moshe Rabbeniu and Shimshon Ha'gibor and Joshua were all warriors. And the list goes on and on. This idea that a real Jewish man close to God has to be weak and not work is not borne out by either the Tanach or the Gemara. Sages in the Gemara all had occupations. They worked minimal hours to support their families and dedicated the rest of the day to Torah. What he is saying is being distorted. We are raising a generation of Torah scholars and that's wonderful...but where does it say in the Torah that they shouldn't have an occupation or be able to do basic math, or fight battles and be warriors. If it was good enough for the Avot, its good enough for their descendants. They are carrying over a ghetto mentality from Europe and you cannot bring Moshiach and conquer the land with a ghetto mentality of the weak and helpless "Woody Allen" type Jew. The Galut is finally ending and we need to end that type of thinking. Also, this isolationist thinking that only your way is right and you're the real Jew and all the other Jews are somehow worthless, or less needs to go as well. The Lubavitcher Rebbe understood this implicitly and imparted this to his chassidim that all Jews were "important and equal in Hashem's eyes" and no Jew was better or less then the other. And that is why the Rebbe is quoted over and over. Most other religious factions don't seem to have gotten this memo and its a pity.
The second Beit Hamigdosh was destroyed because of this ...animosity towards each other. Hashem desires achdut above all. We are a band of brothers and sisters and its time to start acting like it. That is all Efraim is trying to say and its really sad that people are trying to twist it out of context.
CSF
We maydaven at Tzaddikim Keverim. Our ancestors davened at our Avos Keverim for help. We are not davening for them to help but for them to intervene for us. They are on a different level than we are and have a direct link to HaShem because they are Tzadikim. Never ever heard of any true holy individuals who asked for the Kehila to pray to them.Yacov Avinu davened by the Avos , Kalav Ben Yefuna davened by the Avos and many more. These actions they took were placed in the Torah, if it was wrong it would never have been written down by Moshe Rabbenu.
DeleteApologies in advance for the lengthy reply, I am putting this here for those who will listen to these lectures for context and clarification so nobody falls victim to sinat hinam or mistaken conclusions. I hope you benefit from it.
DeleteYou are quite right, it is as if it's okay to, as Efriam says, "commune with the dead" as long as it's your close relative or mentor?!
No, it's either not okay ever, or it's not necromancy in the first place. Where did Yehoshua and Kalev go on entering the land with the spies? To daven at Machpela and awaken the merits of the forefathers to annul the evil intent of the spies. Shaul on the other hand made a mistake by consulting with the witch of Endor for advice, therein lies the difference.
About his criticism of Jewish livush, where does it stop and how would he define what is correct for Jews to wear? The Lubavicher Rebbe did not wear a shtreimel, true, but he did that in order to be mekarev (bring closer) those unaffiliated Jews who felt alienated by garb they did not understand. He also held that he was only a placeholder and that his father in law still held the mantel as Rebbe. I personally knew one of his foremost hasidim in Jerusalem who wore a shtreimel, he was not opposed to them in any way shape or form, and wore a geirtel and a kapota. Efriam seems to suggest that all of that should be rejected, but for what? Italian suits, hoodies, Uggs? An Italian hat is just as much a "galut" item as a fur hat, what about a tie, which was instituted by Christians as a sign of a cross, or a fez, popularized by the Ottomans and worn by Sufis? There is a difference between outreach and guarding a community from outside influence, there is a place for both; insisting that those who have fences should tear them down to bring geula is dangerous, destructive and lacks nuance.
DeleteThe aim of dressing uniformly as Jews is to be obviously and outwardly distinct and identifiable as Jews, to be separate. The Satmar Rebbe, ZTQ"L, Rav Yoel, was once asked by a secular person why he and his Chasidim wore shtreimels and his reply was that he was unsure where the practice originated exactly, but in light of the fact that those opposed to the Torah were so bothered by it, he was thus certain that it came from a very holy place. We are also taught that one of the 3 reasons we merited redemption from Egypt was our distinctive dress, and this is an important reason that we have certain customs. Distinct Jewish languages like Yiddish and Ladino are other examples of separateness in line with this merit.
DeleteHe also made several mistakes in his lecture - "Torah and derech eretz" is not 'studying and work', it's studying and refining ones personality attributes, the Ramchal is quite clear about this, as is the Gemara and the Mishna Pirkei Avot. He also refers to "El-Chai" as 'G-d of the living', but that's not supported anywhere - El-Chai is The Living G-d and refers to the sefira of Yesod. Exegesis is perfectly kosher, but to present it as fact is misleading and undermines the credibility of his thesis.
DeleteHe also heavily deemphasizes the next world, which borders on Epicureanism's (Apikousut's) adage to eat, drink etc., because tomorrow we may die. The only purpose of this world is to prepare provisions for the World to Come, not the afterlife, which is temporary, but for the time after the resurrection of the dead in which all the upper worlds converge with the lower world in a way which has never occurred and cannot be conceived, even by the melachim. This world is rectified by redirecting the belief in physicality towards the higher worlds, and thereby creating a vacuum in which "light" from the upper worlds can exist in this world.
As someone who has studied in Kolel and completed serious university studies including advanced theoretical mathematics, I can attest to shortcomings of the Yeshiva system, but I send my children to what would be termed Haredi schools in spite of that because I understand why they are the way they are - to guard against assimilation of Hellenistic ideas even at the expense of ignorance of otherwise valid pursuits in a time of unparalleled darkness. I, and many other parents, supplement the learning of our children with popular sports leagues and secular studies that are not taught in Yeshivas. As a consequence, my children have never heard of "alternative lifestyles", have never participated in "social media", and retained a profound spiritual sensitivity that those who have been exposed to media have lost. Every school that has a strong secular studies program and rigorous gym class has children who have been poisoned by exposure to toxic ideas, without exception. This is a worthwhile trade off. Parnassa comes from above, not through our education or efforts. I know a family in Williamsburg who cannot speak English well, and have no secular education whatsoever but own the premier electronics retail company in NYC - B&H. I can point to countless examples without disparaging those who pursue professional degrees for their livelihood. Everyone at their own level.
DeleteHis assertion that only someone of peak physical form can experience the Divine Presence is also misleading - Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai was buried up to his neck in a cave for years with sores all over his body and was the prime example of spiritual perfection. The pursuit of strength and physical perfection is the anthesis of Judaism, it's referring to those who neglect their health and indulge in overeating and who are lazy not bodybuilders or professional athletes (Athenians)! His hyperbolic assertion that there are prohibitions against physical fitness is so rare as to be as false as saying that the secular want to round up the religious and deport them. (The empty barrel makes the most noise).
DeleteRegarding Torah learning as a profession being forbidden by the Mishna, what profession did Rabbi Akiva engage in? His wife supported his studies and everything he did was to her merit. True, there are proponents of discouraging men from leaving Yeshiva to work, but look at the traps working men fall into and how their learning suffers in this society. The gender roles being reversed is a valid point, but in my own observation, there is a balance among all but the elite Torah scholars in that once they have children, the men focus on evening Kolel and the women focus on the children with help from their extended families and it functions very well. The Hasidim have a beautiful balance, and the Yeshivishe have strong Yissachar / Zevulun partnerships that are self sustaining, and their mastery of Torah is both unmatched and critical to our survival. To call them parasitic is akin to the wicked Titus who cursed the altar saying "Lucas, Lucas", wolf, wolf, implying that the altar of Hashem was impoverishing and destroying the Jewish people.
DeleteThe degree of what Efriam terms as "chumras" (added stringencies) are in equal and opposite measure against the libertine dictates of the broken society in which we are currently living. These are necessary for the communities in which they are enacted and specific to these communities and not applicable to someone in another community. The speed limit in North Dakota is apparently unlimited like the Autobahn, does that mean that the 25MPH limit in New York City should be abolished?
There is also a fundamental flaw in Efriam's assertions in general, which is reliance on Rambam as an argument against the mystical aspects of Judaism and a reliance on purely rational interpretations of the metaphysical. In the Shomer Emunim by Rav Yosef Ergas, a letter by the Rambam from late in his life is cited, wherein he corresponds with a Rabbi who received the entire Kabbalah tradition in an unbroken chain and explains it to him, and the Rambam states that much of what he said about this dimension of Torah would not have been written, had he also received the closely guarded information, and he would have retracted much of his opinions on these matters. The Rambam was not in the chain of those few at the time privy to these deep recondite secrets.
DeleteEfriam is only aware of public, theoretical mystical knowledge and is not following the primary dictum of the secrets of Torah - that (and I paraphrase) nothing we learn of the upper worlds is applicable in the lower worlds "ain megashem". This is why his attempts to anchor Kabbalah in particle physics, anthropology, psychology, physiology etc., is wrong. The only way to access the perception of the higher worlds, is by first refining one's physical traits (including the psychological and emotional) to nullify all physical connections. Mesilat Yesharim is in fact a meditative Kabbala textbook, that leads to the actual manifestation of the Divine Presence through the progressive refinement of and detachment from the physical and leads to events, experiences and outcomes that are unrelated to the physical world and even causality!
There are three distinct and separate areas of Kabbalah - the theoretical (which is logical and highly structured), the meditative (which gradually facilitates perception of the higher worlds) and the practical (which is dangerous, defies physical laws, and is reserved for national emergencies) which the Ari Z"L deemed spiritually degrading in general. While parallels can be made with higher physics, the practical deals primarily with the Asiah (ma'asit), but extends to the Yetzira, Beria and Atzilut through the meditative and thus defies any physical or natural laws. All are guarded through restriction of information and texts, but there is a safeguard of middot, in that only the impure levels can be reached without first completely refining one's physical and intellectual faculties because the "spiritual" and the physical are mutually exclusive.
Efriam often quotes directly from the Zohar, which is meritorious, but it was only the Ari who could decode the metaphors in which the tradition was encoded, and it requires a reading of the Matok M'Devash commentary to line up the Ari's understanding with the actual texts, and he's not bringing out the full context in his lectures, he's shooting arrows into a target and then drawing bulls eyes around his arrows to prove his points. It lacks intellectual rigor and comes across as intellectually dishonest passion.
DeleteAll the ways of Torah are peace, and boycotting Jews or attempting to change them is the antitheses of peace, but looking inward and upward, understanding that all of us have critical roles to play that may not make sense to other groups is the way to redemption. We must insulate ourselves against outside foreign ideas and influences, not bring those influences to those who are more insulated! Our role may very well be rectifying ourselves by fighting in the army, but that is a very physical and low task that requires those whose rectifications in learning are needed to ensure the success of the army. Look not at Yerovam's army, which sacrificed Torah for unity and victory, but to Yehoshua's army, which excluded all but the holiest soldiers. The Israeli army is not Yehoshua's army and cannot be elevated by Torah scholars more than it can lower Torah scholars and undermine the missions of both.
DeleteIt may be beyond our understanding to see the spiritual results of learning all day in Yeshiva, but I can guarantee that without the Yeshivas, the Land of Israel would vomit out everyone. Chazal were very clear about this. We must not allow ourselves to be divided by imposing our own rectifications on others through our logical conclusions and lack of deep understanding.
Incidentally, the GRA, who Efriam selects support from, goes into the rectification of the Erev Rav, who due to their sins must be the first to suffer physically in the rebuilding of the Land, (see Kol ha Tor for details). This can be achieved either physically by an army and by farmers, or by studying Torah, or by both, but the most effective rectification is done by studying Torah, and ultimately transcending the physical in such a way as to elicit divine assistance and protection without the need for a physical army or for casualties.
I will conclude by saying that Efriam's research is commendable, but that his mentalities are what is termed as "mochin d'katnut", immature mentalities, due to his insistence of holding onto physics, chemistry and natural laws, rather than letting it go to understand to experience the source - to move from the level of Elokim (G-d manifest in an orderly, predictable and natural way - midat ha din) to Havaya (the transcendence of the physical, suspension of nature - midat ha rachamim). Everything that the Haredi world does that doesn't make sense naturally or practically, is in fact an exercise in relinquishing the physical and asking Hashem to bring his presence (as Havaya) into the world, and to guard against each generation's unique situational danger. Are they perfect? Nobody is, but when we criticize them, we lower them and ourselves.
DeleteOnly Hashem can redeem us, and all we have to do is cry out to him ourselves. Whether we're Haredi, Zionist, Reform, secular is not of any consequence. When we were trapped between the Sea and the Egyptians, that is all it took for a nation that was steeped in idolatry to be redeemed.
CSF: I also agree with a lot of what Rabbi Palvanov said, and I agree with you as well.... but I don't think people are twisting things out of context with regard to some things he said.
DeleteI think it is really really important that everything is clarified because Rabbi Palvanov is perhaps the most watched Torah Rabbi on You Tube. He has tens and sometimes hundreds of thousands of views on his videos. That is unheard of for a Torah class, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think only Rabbi Anava had that many views and that was for his NDE experience.
So there is a responsibility that comes with the territory. Hashem has blessed Rabbi Palvanov with a talent and he is reaching new generations and many non Jews, and he has a HUGE responsibility on his shoulders. Hashem has put him in this position and if someone like "Nobody Special" comes along with legitimate and knowledgeable concerns, I think it is valuable knowledge for everyone.
To understand what I'm saying, have a look at the comments on the You Tube page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpSvX52AgBU
DeleteI think the comments here are so important that Hashem made me well enough to actually have the strength to even do this blog post. Five days ago I was in the Emergency Dept of one of the best hospitals in the world. I managed to totally deplete my body of iron, resulting in anaemia and an irregular heartbeat. I'm not looking for sympathy, I'm just explaining my absence over the past weeks, and the fact that yesterday I felt relatively human again. Timing is everything, and the comments here are very valuable, especially for the Rabbi, and I'm a big fan of his, since I found his blog a few years ago via Yeranen Yaakov.
I wish Rabbi Palvanov hatzlacha and brachot, and continued success, but just as he tells us to listen to his entire lecture and not quit halfway.... so he must listen to critiques from people who are older and wiser. That's why we're here.... we're a family and we need to listen to our big brothers sometimes.
Refuah Shleima Deborah ! Happy you are feeling better today !
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Thank you.
DeleteHashem wipes out amalek, not us. He regrets making him. Let's give ourselves a little more credit; this enemy is impossible to defeat physically.
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Amalek is a very different entity than Erev Rav. Erev Rav, as Efriam rightly points out, must be rectified, but Hashem Himself battles Amalek in every generation.
DeleteThe Erev Rav were the Mitzryimwho left Egypt with Klal Yisroel. They were not true Gereim and their real intent was to follow the gold silver jewels that the Jewish people cleared out of Egypt. Any type of trouble that occurred was usually caused by them.
DeleteTo Nobody Special: There are five types of Erev Rav.
DeleteThe worst are the Erev Rav Amaleikim who might not
even be able to do teshuvah. Amaleik is considered all
those who wish to do harm to our people; their wish is
to undo Torah, c'v, and our people. That has been their
goal since yetziat Mitzrayim and that is why they
joined with us. Their leaders were Janus & Jason
the two sons of Bilam Harasha who were the Paro's
palace wizards. That says it all.
After Nobody Specials comment I will not listen to this lecture. Already from his last lecture where he puts down the Talmud I realized that he is lacking in his religious understandings. While the Kabbala parts of his lectures sounds interesting if it’s not properly understood is actually harmful. He said that the Zohar is a rebuttal to the Talmud but he is ignorant that the Talmud was written hundreds of years after. Unfortunately while he does make some good points his answers are to combine secularism with parts of Judaism that he approves of. Good intentions pave the way to…
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Thank you Eli. This is exactly that way I feel about
Deletehis lectures. He is knowledgable and pleasant, but
he seems to have a more logical type mind than a
spiritual one. He always brings in some kind of scientific explanation rather than a Torah true interpretation. Whatever, there is always something
in his very interesting topics that seem to annoy me'
because I want to hear a real d'var Torah from a
Rabbi.
emes
First, I must disagree with on much of what he says. I
ReplyDeleteusually do disagree with quite a bit of his take on many of
his subject matters.
From what i have learned over the years there are definitely
erev rav and in every generation, we will find them. They are the gilgulim (reincarnations ) of the Erev Rav which left with us from Egypt with an agenda of defeating the Jewish people! Our Sages teach us that at the end of days 'they will
be in full control' when we are back in our land before the coming of Moshiach. They can be halachacly Jewish but they do no possess Jewish neshamot. The ruling class in
the State of Israel today are not the real Jews but are the
Erev Rav. Most scholarly and pious Rabbis will all agree
to that.
This Rabbi brings up how all those renegades within our people were all called Erev Rav, because they really were
and are.
Those that twist and turn the Torah on its head, so to speak,
are the Erev Rav.
Up until the time when we went down to Mitzrayim, we were
called Tzadikim (no idolatry, etc.) It was only all those years
in Mitzrayim being slaves that the word idolatry even came
into the mix with our people. The intermingling of our people
with the nations has been to a great degree their fault.
G-D gave ten measure of black magic to the world and nine were in Egypt. That is why the Erev Rav are usually
always corrupt and have brought our people tzarot for almost
3400 years. The first sin after leaving Egypt was the Golden
Calf and that Chazal tell us was the Erev Rav! That's the outright fact!
There are five kinds of Erev Rav, some say seven, but the
worst are the Erev Rav Amaleikim! This is why the kedusha
of Eretz Yisrael means nothing to them and are willing to trade our Land to others and the same goes for the lives of
of our people. The upper echelon in the military did not give
a care about how many of our beloved soldiers were maimed
and taken from us as the Erev Rav do not connect with us.
They do, however, connect and always ally, associate with
the nations, aiding and abetting them many times for their
greed and lust for power. They are usually what we call the
'elites' and are very wealthy and have high positions in high
places.
Hashem says they will be our worst enemies and that is because they are in 'our midst'. H' Yerachem!
emes
Have you ever heard of the Haavara Agreement of 1933? They even minted their own money - https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dSoSxVwzeKg/VynnsGwLt6I/AAAAAAAAAFQ/2Hh3ps1OKe0o07CqIL-O8OXc2tsFgVO6gCLcB/s1600/the-bizarre-story-of-kristallnacht-643-ns-zionist-medal.jpg
DeleteRefuah Shleimah Devorah.
ReplyDeleteRav Palvanov's classes and books are fascinating.
There are many paths of Torah, and until Mashiach comes, some questions remain without answer.
@Professor Petronovh.
Please can you provide some documents, photos and video proof that 7000 people with Egyptian names who speak Hebrew live in Ulan Ude.
Please also provide verification of your identity.
I found no mention of you using a google search.
@
Sadly, all my extensive material documenting the Ulan Ude community was confiscating under Boris Yeltsin. It is 7,000 families not individuals. Roughly around 45,000 people. If you type my name in Cyrillic you will be able to find me.
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nobody special you deserve a gold medal for your beautiful rebuttal of the above lecture. when he said all of the rabbis stories are mostly fake i was amazed but not shocked especially after his lecture connecting the Chinese dragon a pure symbol of avoda zara to Moshiach god forbid
ReplyDeletebut ive been following this blog for so long i didnt want to comment thank hashem you said the truth
alot of the words of the Ari are taken out of context especially regarding praying by the tzaddikim god forbid to pray to them but in their merit i dont want to write too much
in short thank you Nobody special
Oh yes, the fake rabbi stories.... well I can personally tell you some stories that have happened to ME, and I am no-one at all in the scheme of things, and people would probably find them unbelievable as well, but they did actually happen. The stories of the Rebbes and other famous rabbis are not fake at all. They were witnessed and passed on through the generations, perhaps sometimes bits and pieces would change in the telling, but the wonders and miracles were and are real.
DeleteThis is an excellent shiur. Nobody Special, you should consider that maybe you’ve been duped by the erev rav rather than attacking and belittling this rabbi
ReplyDeleteYou're wrong Anonymous, and it's simply because people like yourself exist that it is necessary for Nobody Special to present the actual facts.
DeleteIf you read the comments at the You Tube site, you will see that other people have tried to tell him similar things. It's not a matter of belittling anyone, it's a matter of Emes.
DeleteOkay if you believe Rabbi Palvanov was wrong why did you put up his shiur then?
DeleteAnd I disagree. He said Rabbi Palvanov had mochin d’katnut. Nothing could be farther from the truth! This is a very knowledgeable rabbi who is mentioning real concerns about certain sects! I have personal experience that corroborates that something is very wrong with parts of that community
DeleteAnd if he can insult the rabbi and that’s not lashon hora and you can put that up, then my comments should be fine too. Or else it’s nothing to do with lashon hora and it’s just censuring people you disagree with
ReplyDeleteArguing a Torah matter for the sake of Shamayim is not Lashon Hara. It is a correction. The comments here are just repeating and refuting some of the things that the Rabbi has said.
DeleteI have posted Rabbi Palvanov's shiurim here for a very long time, but it is only recently that issues have come up.
When someone is very successful on the internet, the satan seeks to find a way to stop them. Sometimes we all make mistakes, with things we say or write, and we need to retract and clarify and sometimes even apologise for something we said or wrote.
You need to separate your intellect from your emotions. I am also pretty emotional so I understand how you feel, but at the end of the day it's about TRUTH and if you are spreading Torah to the masses, it must all be true, not just 90% of it. Otherwise it is geneivat da'at, whether intentional or unintentional, it needs to be called out.
Go back and look again in your sources.....(Zohar III 124b-125a Ra'aya Mehemna).... THEY ARE NOT CALLED ISRAEL..... but you call them , and not only them, but you call ISRAEL the medinah , the state of " "Israel" , the epitome of egel hazaav , established upon the the oath taken by all those seating upon our necks, that this medinah (province of the ruling elites) will be always a liberal demoncracy , bound to the International laws and never will be a Halachic state.... Think again dear Efraim.
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ReplyDeleteclosing comments off now, I need some breathing space. This has not been a fun exercise at all. Necessary but not enjoyable.
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