tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post4167224164700970732..comments2024-03-29T15:54:38.559+11:00Comments on Shirat Devorah: Divorced, but still MarriedDevorahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-72436334233748680092016-03-20T13:17:08.456+11:002016-03-20T13:17:08.456+11:00Exactly..we don't know why these things happen...Exactly..we don't know why these things happen , nor should we try to come up with "foolish" explanations such as these are punishments for x, y, and z. What the gemara is telling us, is that not having a "gett" is a serious matter, and leave it at that. That's all that should be said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-4120891881182294932016-03-20T13:06:05.032+11:002016-03-20T13:06:05.032+11:00Anon, it takes a modicum of "seichel" to...Anon, it takes a modicum of "seichel" to know whether you have it or not. You clearly don't even have that! To refer to these sensitive issues, (health, lack of parnasa) in unequivocal, black and white terminology, is the height of stupidity.<br />Absorb what was said and next time, think a little before commenting. 'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-36131247982526778422016-03-18T23:48:29.726+11:002016-03-18T23:48:29.726+11:00Anon @ 1:49 pm: You seem to think you're a bi...Anon @ 1:49 pm: You seem to think you're a bigger chacham than even our sages. Good for you. <br />No one is judging anyone here, just using common sense and what our sages say. Who is the one confused?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-38784965527092468132016-03-18T00:55:42.875+11:002016-03-18T00:55:42.875+11:00I have a good friend who is extremely G-d fearing ...I have a good friend who is extremely G-d fearing and meticulous in observance of mitzvos with hidur. learns Torah, gives tzedaka well beyond his means, and ALWAYS besimcha, and he is unable to pay for basic necessities with 9 kids at home and was recently hospitalized which as a day laborer means making no money for days/weeks. He should have an immediate refua shleima. So, my questions for Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475827479772276768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-55352386799722593802016-03-17T13:49:16.231+11:002016-03-17T13:49:16.231+11:00Anon, the only thing that spurred my thinking is t...Anon, the only thing that spurred my thinking is trying to figure out why you're so confused on this matter! I'll say it again, for your edification. We don't know why someone gets sick or something bad happens. Period. That there are no sinless people on earth today plays right to my point. But, we don't know anything else about that person or his life. Just like you would be a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-2819971395780357392016-03-17T07:31:58.460+11:002016-03-17T07:31:58.460+11:00Anon, 3:16 am: Maybe it's you who should star...Anon, 3:16 am: Maybe it's you who should start thinking. There are no coincidences according to Torah. The world and Jew cannot be hefker; otherwise, we only hurt ourselves and even others. We might not know exactly why things go our way or don't, but we do know that there is no sinless human being on earth (except for four of our ancestors), so everyone gets some kind of punishment Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-75068862237508650512016-03-17T07:16:27.888+11:002016-03-17T07:16:27.888+11:00Neshama, are you referring (in a roundabout way) r...Neshama, are you referring (in a roundabout way) re couple/s 'living together' rather than truly married? If they were not married under a chupah, with witnesses etc, I do not think that they can truly be regarded as married, in the sense that they would need a get, should their relationship flounder (I am sure halachah would disagree). Living together - in UK/US at least - before Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-20941879132565530252016-03-17T03:16:32.340+11:002016-03-17T03:16:32.340+11:00Anon, "I am sure his unemployment problems st...Anon, "I am sure his unemployment problems stem from the fact.." Are you serious? Maybe you and all the others that know why someone is unemployed or sick can "divinely" discern these things. But, I'd rather believe, the only things we"re certain about is what we are not certain about!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-12617344209472095892016-03-16T14:37:46.385+11:002016-03-16T14:37:46.385+11:00My nextdoor neighbor is an elderly Jewish man, age...My nextdoor neighbor is an elderly Jewish man, aged in his 90s. Up until a few months ago, his son paid half of the rent for him. But apparently the son divorced his wife - and mother of his children - and since then he has been unemployed and cannot find work. He did not give her a gett. He is now living with another woman, and unable to support himself, his exwife/children and to help out Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-84859288608702224892016-03-16T11:37:41.626+11:002016-03-16T11:37:41.626+11:00Am very surprised at some of the responses here be...Am very surprised at some of the responses here because just as one cannot change an iota of Torah law, be it the Written or Oral Law, the same holds true, naturally, for the Gett Law, just as the Kiddushim Laws. Today, even frum people seem to think that they can find loopholes where there are none. The Rabbi in the above article as well as the Rabbis in the video explain things very clearly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-49296044031130270002016-03-16T11:10:04.543+11:002016-03-16T11:10:04.543+11:00If you need a Jewish divirce [gett]
but do not kn...If you need a Jewish divirce [<i>gett</i>] <br />but do not know how, <br />then please contact: www.kayama.orgMr. Cohenhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DerechEmet/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-13556224207102076272016-03-16T04:49:55.132+11:002016-03-16T04:49:55.132+11:00Ronnie: After thinking a bit more about what you s...Ronnie: After thinking a bit more about what you said.... yes perhaps it does need a re-write. Thanks for the feedback.Devorahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-12025723059912301812016-03-16T04:35:56.676+11:002016-03-16T04:35:56.676+11:00Those threats are not mine, they are from the Talm...Those threats are not mine, they are from the Talmud. It is just information that people may not know about. They may think that a gett is not necessary, but the Talmud gives many reasons why it IS necessary. I can't apologise for the Talmud's advice. I actually know a couple of people in this situation, and guess what..... they have lost their parnossa. Coincidental? Devorahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-52464294492795746312016-03-16T04:30:59.479+11:002016-03-16T04:30:59.479+11:00Neshama: that is true but I'm not giving marit...Neshama: that is true but I'm not giving marital advice. I'm passing on information for people who are already divorced via a civil court, but have not halachically divorced. Devorahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-88138453245212979672016-03-16T00:31:59.983+11:002016-03-16T00:31:59.983+11:00I actually agree with Anonymous (kind of). It'...I actually agree with Anonymous (kind of). It's not the halacha that is "the problem", but the way you say it. I know a woman who was extremely frum and after getting a certain answer from the Rav, and the way the Rav said it without putting himself in her shoes or trying to say things in a way that will be accepted by her, the bottom line is she is walking around in shorts and Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475827479772276768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-16729310617092450492016-03-15T23:24:12.025+11:002016-03-15T23:24:12.025+11:00If one considers that a match between husband and ...If one considers that a match between husband and wife is made in Heaven, i.e. two souls destined to be linked together as they belong to the ONE creation, I can understand the need for a (Shomayim) GET. But consider that two souls here on earth might not be really destined for each other and are not part of the ONE WHOLE neshoma, but nevertheless get married (in the crazy situations nowadays) Neshamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06326762185596512130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-56677727584169938562016-03-15T20:44:04.288+11:002016-03-15T20:44:04.288+11:00I also want to disagree with your assumption that ...I also want to disagree with your assumption that most know the rules. Most secular Jews do NOT know, or do not want to expend the energy involved, without realizing the detrimental effect it can have on their lives.Devorahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-85425807120795401822016-03-15T20:42:32.459+11:002016-03-15T20:42:32.459+11:00This information in this blog post provides the re...This information in this blog post provides the remedy for the ''threats'' which are not really threats at all, but a reality for many people, and are the Torah guidelines for divorce. It's not meant to complicate things more, it's meant to inform and therefore assist.Devorahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-58400716732001050052016-03-15T19:55:10.613+11:002016-03-15T19:55:10.613+11:00Maybe not all, but most, in this situation, know t...Maybe not all, but most, in this situation, know the rules but choose to ignore. Or there are massive agunah problems. Life is complicated enough without all these threats of divine wrath and horrible eternal punishments.<br /><br />PSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-43862979100904850252016-03-15T18:14:24.206+11:002016-03-15T18:14:24.206+11:00It is a painful situation for many women, but the ...It is a painful situation for many women, but the Torah of Moshe did that way as it was right especially for that time and this humanity. <br />The Torah of Mashiach, that is the fulfilment of Moshe's Torah, will solve the issue by giving the woman the same right as has a man to write a "get". As we are in transition towards olam haba, the birth-pangs of Mashiach contains also the Gilnoreply@blogger.com