tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post9141969306682987836..comments2024-03-29T01:09:47.316+11:00Comments on Shirat Devorah: The Disengagement and Divine RetributionDevorahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-30868877944663793302011-02-23T06:15:37.832+11:002011-02-23T06:15:37.832+11:00Thank you Ben. Now I understand what you are sayi...Thank you Ben. Now I understand what you are saying. I have work and kids and all the pleasures of dealing with both of them. And then of course there are shiurim and a Chevrutah after the kids have gone to bed. Besides that, "What does HaShem want me to do...right now?" I believe it is to write that letter asking the scholar in question to do teshuvah for enabling the Dov Bar-Leibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15915682856620634130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-32972439571824812812011-02-23T02:56:50.081+11:002011-02-23T02:56:50.081+11:00Sorry Dov,
If you reread your own posts, they are...Sorry Dov,<br /><br />If you reread your own posts, they are too much into politics and not enough into hashgocha proteus.<br /><br />Everyone knows that yemach shmo, the German leader in the second world war, had successes for a while, above the order of nature.<br /><br />The "disengagement" similarly. For whatever reason, even though I do not support any political party, I do not Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14326692290696186619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-38223858565638208142011-02-21T11:02:30.574+11:002011-02-21T11:02:30.574+11:00Second half:
So do the math yourself. 27 Likud ...Second half:<br /><br /> So do the math yourself. 27 Likud seats plus 19 Labour seats plus 2 One Nation seats plus 6 Meretz seats (yes Meretz voted for Sharon's new government in Jan. 2005) plus four of five UTJ seats. Meir Porush abstained, G-d Bless him, for he knew that the decision of UTJ to join was wrong. That is 58 seats for a Disengagement Coalition and 56 against with six Dov Bar-Leibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15915682856620634130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-65995834902206739062011-02-21T10:59:21.999+11:002011-02-21T10:59:21.999+11:00First half:
Of course Ben we all have to do teshu...First half:<br /><br />Of course Ben we all have to do teshuvah for all of our own sins. But the Crime committed here was a grave one. To say that it was a Decree from G-d that could not have been prevented by certain UTJ Rabbis who joined in for their own reasons is simply not true. In January of 2003 Ariel Sharon won a resounding victory over Amram Mitzna promising that there would be no Dov Bar-Leibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15915682856620634130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-68019506228319058342011-02-21T07:38:09.224+11:002011-02-21T07:38:09.224+11:00from Ben:
Perhaps what appears as Divine Retribut...from Ben:<br /><br />Perhaps what appears as Divine Retribution is not to the political act of Gush Katif, but to the civil acts of politicians and military and, etc. "pursuing" (being rodef) innocent people, stealing property (without proper compensation), trying to break their spirits etc.<br /><br />Perhaps since "Jews are all responsible for each other", instead of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-40829016436805991652011-02-18T13:49:24.448+11:002011-02-18T13:49:24.448+11:00Dov Bar-Leib,I believe your letter will have impac...Dov Bar-Leib,I believe your letter will have impact on Divine mercy. It comes from a holy place. Your intentions are just and I believe they will not be overlooked.<br /> I base my opinion on the conerse. If standing idly by will surely bring spiritual problems to Klal Yisroel then surely a Jew must think that doing somthing just (in this case, your words) will bring about mercy from Hashem.Leahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338022892863788418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-3407329854606347262011-02-18T12:50:57.701+11:002011-02-18T12:50:57.701+11:00Actually Rav Ovadia Yosef publicly distanced himse...Actually Rav Ovadia Yosef publicly distanced himself from his own support for Oslo and Wye in early 2003 during the height of the Al Aksa Intafada. See here:<br /><br />http://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute.do/14697<br /><br />So there is at least a precedent for a true Gadol to admit that he was wrong.Dov Bar-Leibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15915682856620634130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-25575301108726398582011-02-18T12:08:07.512+11:002011-02-18T12:08:07.512+11:00A public teshuvah - now that would be something! I...A public teshuvah - now that would be something! I can't remember hearing about anyone doing a public teshuvah, although I keep reading about people going to jail, breaking the law, protesting their innocence.... but no teshuva.<br /><br />It seems teshuva is just for the "little" people these days - but we all know that in the world of truth, the little people are really the big Devorahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-27847466885983909022011-02-18T10:17:49.295+11:002011-02-18T10:17:49.295+11:00So, nu? When do the 2 UTJ Chareidi enablers of th...So, nu? When do the 2 UTJ Chareidi enablers of the Sharon government do public teshuvah for their crime of indecency? Is not human decency kadmah to the Torah? I will not even mention their names, for I am composing a letter right now to one of them to do just that before the bombing of Ashkelon, Ashdod, Tel Aviv, and yes Bnai Brak begins precisely from the same place where four yishuvim in Dov Bar-Leibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15915682856620634130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-64925855449229779922011-02-18T10:05:14.177+11:002011-02-18T10:05:14.177+11:00As I often state to my husband in regard to the ra...As I often state to my husband in regard to the rationalists among us: Divine retribution is not something that only existed thousands of years ago for our ancient ancestors. If G-d is not a man and the Torah is eternal and applicable throughout the lifespan of His world then so is His retribution.Moriahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10031303390387367887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5653322480497916341.post-23427319346883903002011-02-18T10:02:18.094+11:002011-02-18T10:02:18.094+11:00Very nice work, Devorah. I just got off the phone ...Very nice work, Devorah. I just got off the phone with a friend and we were saying that while only Hashem knows truly, a person would still have to be in a state of denial not to find some connection. Coincedence is Hashem's way of staying anonymous.Leahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338022892863788418noreply@blogger.com