Friday, October 30, 2015

Temple Mount: ''Beyond Dispute''

HT: Joshua W.

From a 1924 Waqf publication:  click on images to enlarge


Neshama said...

Rabbi Mizrahi says he could speak before the UN and quote from the Koran how Eretz Israel belongs to the Jews, and the Temple is ours, if they have any questions, they must go to the Jews and ask them for the truth, and much more. Just on the tape you mentioned/linked to a few posts earlier!

Unknown said...

Status Quo: The page before this one speaks of proper etiquette of visitors. (page 3 of 11).

>>The site is one of the oldest in the world. Its sanctity 'dates.from
the earliest (perhaps from pre-historic) times. Its .identity with the
site of Solomon's :Temple is .beyond dispute. This, too, is. the
Spot according to the universal belief, on which "David. built there.
an altar unto the -:`Lord , and offered -burnt- offerings :.and •
peace offerings"... (1) <<

Anonymous said...

To the Jew and the truth, this was never in dispute. Today all truths are being turned upside down with an agenda behind it and we should really all know what that is by now. This is the last gasp for taking care of the 'Jewish' problem. Everyone who knows even a minimum of history knows that Israel, the Temple Mt, the Batei Mikdash. etc. all are part of our history and our history is literally G-D given to the Jewish people, so that needs to be changed. History has to be revised in order to take care of this 'problem'. Understand?

Anonymous said...

The difficulty is that we are not allowed to bring it forward before it's time and we weren't told that it's time yet by anyone. We suffer when we attempt to bring it before it's time.

Anonymous said...

Best summary of the situation.

Devash said...


Anonymous said...

Yes! And Yes again. By trying to rush Moshiach in with our actions, not necessarily Torah commandments, just a desire to see the end of this galus, will get us no closer. We need to do 'spiritual action' and Hashem will do His share for us. THIS going up to the Temple Mount and 'showing' the world what belongs to us, will NOT get anything for us. We've been cautioned against that. History has proven that.

Ben Zion

Anonymous said...

To Anon @2:51 pm, what's not the time. The Jews are back home after 2000 years and supposedly are back in a sovereign country, but yet have no rights to do what is right and defend its people, etc. On a religious basis, there are questions about what one can do and not do, but that should have nothing to do with its right for self-determination as a sovereign country, especially one that was given by the Almighty to His people and defending them from its enemies.

Anonymous said...

Yes, we are back in a sovereign country and yes we have rights, but so do those who live in our country if we claim to be a democracy. In the diaspora, no one enters the place of worship of another, In Israel, we disregard everyone else"s rights because we feel entitled to the land, all of it. Then, we are not a democracy. What we have to understand is that most of the world is bnei Avraham as hard as that is to absorb, which means this is, in essence, a "family feud".
When my children went to school, they were taught to hate the goyim, Fast forward twenty years and my grandchildren are taught to hate the goyim. So measure-for-measure they hate us back. How are we going to be a light unto the nations by hating them? And we are so angry when they teach their children to hate us.

Talmud Tractate Megillah 10b:
As the Egyptians started to drown in the Red Sea, the heavenly hosts began to sing praises, but God silenced the angels, saying, "The works of my hands are drowning in the sea, and you wish to sing praises!"

These are all G-d\'s children. Give them the respect to worship G-d int the way they know how, without interference from us. We have a place of worship, why do we need theirs, too? The Rambam tells us that G-d gave the nations religions so that they could come close to Him. Isn't that the ultimate goal:
"So that all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God: there is none else." 1 Kings 8:60.

annie said...

Question, please... Being commanded to not rush the Time of Moshiach before it's time... could one of the reasons also be... that Moshiach is in a transition time also... being prepared for the Job he must do, and if you rush it... he may not be in the right Place mentally and spiritually.... YET..? Is this a possibility? If the Moshiach is being prepared by HaShem... only HaShem knows when the exact timing of his being revealed is....?

Devorah said...

I was never taught to ''hate goyim'' and either were my children. I personally don't know any Jew who ''hates goyim''.
And what do you meant that we disregard the rights of other religions? There are churches and mosques and Christians and Arabs living side by side with the Jews.
I think you have a very strange outlook on things.

CDG, Yerushalayim, Eretz Yisrael Shlemah said...

Anon 11/1 @12:32PM, if you hang your argument on Israel claiming to be a democracy - well, prepare yourself for a shock. Our government would like to be a democracy, but they don't know what real democracy is and refuse to learn from those of us who do. Secondly, they feel they need the Arabs to live alongside us in order to be legitimate - at a horrible cost to the rest of us, as is seen today. Remember, please, that the UNRWA's definition of a Palestinian refugee is one who has been here since 1946. That's right - because for the most part that's when they arrived. Jews have ALWAYS been in the land of Israel. You think you're getting away with your argument with a bunch of Ashkenazim, some of whose last descendants who lived here were in the times of Hurban Bayit Rishon (Destruction of the 1st Temple). But Sefaradim and Mizrahim also are Jews, and have much closer ties to the land. You will not get away with such nonsense with them!

Full disclosure: My parents are: secular Ashkenazi father, Mizrahi mother - her mother was born & raised in Haifa before the British Mandate!

Also read this, and open your eyes: Torah Tidbits, Vayera 5776, page 42, the Chizuk and Idud column.

By the way, Moshe Dayan's motive for "returning" the keys to Har haBayit was just as you said, "Give them the respect to worship G-d int the way they know how, without interference from us." Do you see where this has gotten us? We keep trying to accommodate them, and they keep trying to drive us out and kill us all. If you are a Jew anywhere in the world, this is your issue too.

Shavua tov.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 12:32 pm and others: The trouble is that the state decided it be a democracy rather than a "Jewish" state. The two can be opposing forces. Democracy has nothing to to with Judaism (Torah). Already, you started with a wrong idea of how the Jewish people and its country should be. There can be no accommodations to our enemies and to their foreign/alien beliefs and cultures. Either Israel is a 'Jewish' country (which it always is; it is H's Country) or if it decides to try to be like the nations of the world, well, we have our Promise from the Almighty that if we go against His Will, He will take care of it for us. It would be wiser to put our trust in Him and that's a sure bet and make life a lot easier for every Jew.

Anonymous said...

Anon 12:32 pm - another complain to you. You appear to be a self-hating Jew who knows very, very little of Torah/Judaism. You give an example of G-D being angry that the angels were rejoicing at the drowning of the Egptians. He was angry with them since they were not involved in being their victims, but H' was very happy that the children of Israel were rejoicing, because they suffered by their hands. Don't mix apples with oranges. Don't know what kinds of schools your children and you, yourself attended, but doubt if they were reputable yeshivahs or any kind of Jewish school. The Land of Israel belongs only to the children of Israel as per G-D's promise to Avraham, Yitzchak and Yaakov and not to any other peoples on the face of the earth. Start learning true Yahadut/Torah.

Anonymous said...

Chas Ve’shalom that I should be mekatreg on Am Yisrael. I am only responding to some of your comments.
Judaism is democracy. The Iggeret HaRamban states:
“And now, my son, understand and observe that whoever feels that he is greater than others is rebelling against the Kingship of Hashem…So we see that everyone is the same before Hashem….”
The way we feel about the nations, they feel about us. That is to say, they too feel they have the superior religion—for now. We know that the Jews have a different mission in the world than the goyim. Our nature of being compassionate, bashful and benevolent is conducive to bringing light to the world, but not through hatred, nor disrespect, nor through a lack of compassion or benevolence.
And no, I am not a self-hating Jew. I love the Jewish nation and suffer when I see them suffer (Naomi Shemer’s song Al Kol Eleh is always on mind). But whether we want to believe it or not, G-d is a loving democratic Father, which means we have no right to step on anyone's toes, not each other's and not the nations.
My grandfather was born in Israel and had great relationships with the Arabs. When they came to destroy all the Jewish stores in the 1940s, they warned him not to come into work. Arabs saved his life.
As for my children’s schools, they were top chareidi schools and in those schools, they were taught to disrespect the nations. This MUST stop as per G-d, not me. We do not socialize with goyim but we MUST respect them. Keep in mind too that Avraham prayed for his son, Ishmael, and that Yitzhak prayed for his son, Eisav. Our mission, as Jews, is to raise the nations’ awareness, change their consciousness.
Muslims think that non-Muslims profane their place of worship. What would we think if they suddenly decided to worship at the Kotel (which they almost did) on the floor and in their style of worship? We went crazy when the Women of the Wall came to the Kotel and I'm not condoning this, only saying that we have to put ourselves in their shoes to try to understand their distress about the Temple Mount.
G-d is Shalom. How can Shalom come down to a world of chaos and non-shalom?
Further, the Chofetz Chaim (Day 14) tells us:
"...if Jews live in peace and harmony with one another, then in Heaven, Satan is not able to indict them."
When we make the effort to become like Hashem, all the nations will know the truth. As it says in MIcah:
“And it shall be at the end of the days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be firmly established at the top of the mountains, and it shall be raised above the hills, and peoples shall stream upon it.
And many nations shall go, and they shall say, "Come, let us go up to the Lord's mount and to the house of the God of Jacob, and let Him teach us of His ways, and we will go in His paths," for out of Zion shall the Torah come forth, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.”

Anonymous said...

I am goyim, Noachide. may i comment on what Anon @Nov3, at 11:07 is saying..?

He does make a lot of sense. I am sure he is not trying to be rude or put any one down.
What i would like to say is: Please please, Chosen people, stop thinking about goyim and others. Just do as Rabbis and others are pleading, for you all to come together as one.. do not divide your selves , become united as the chosen of Hashem. Then and only then, when you all start doing this and caring for each other, Hashem will put an end to all those who are doing all the bad at the moment to H-s Chosen.
How can those of us goyim, follow if we read negative comments of how bad goyim can be. How not some Chosen are being put down by their brothers/sisters?
A lot of us goyim to are reaching out to the truth of Hashem, by following blogs like this, and hearing shuirs of great Rabbis.
Then when goyim read this sort of thing it hurts us, and ... and... we too are people,,, trying to do the best we can...
Please love one another, if you do not... then where do we goyim stand who are trying to do our best to learn and grow and follow Hashem?
Thanks and Hashem bless you all.

Anonymous said...

lAfraid Anonymous @11:07 am writes nonsense. Does his/her grandfather know of or remember the massacres in Hebron and Yerushalayim of 1929 and 1936? You have your learning twisted in a knot that makes no sense and no reality of history. Do not go against true Torah and the teachings of our great Sages!