Friday, July 1, 2011

A Time, Times and a Half of Time

Barack Obama and The Book of Daniel  
from Radio Broadcast of 15 May 2007 at Redemption5768 [Download #9]

The last chapter of Daniel, chapter 12 contains probably the most mysterious verse in Torah. It calculates that the time of the end will be after a time, times and a half of time passes. Many people are aware of this verse, but forget that chapter 7 also has some intriguing and similar language. It occurs after describing the 4th beast representing our 4th and final exile, the exile of Yishmael, the Arab nation.

Verse 24 states that ten kings shall come out of this kingdom, but then another king will emerge and subdue three kings. He shall speak arrogantly against Hashem and the Jews and will believe that he can change the times. We will be given into his hands for, a time, times and a half of time.

"And he shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High; and he shall think to change the seasons and the law; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and half a time."  Daniel 7:25

[Also see Obama and the Evil at the End of Days]


Leah said...

Yasher koach.

Jesterhead45 said...

"Verse 24 states that ten kings shall come out of this kingdom, but then another king will emerge and subdue three kings."

Not to dismiss your post, but if obama is the figure described in Daniel, then apart from osama what other leaders has he subdued? I guess if one adds mubarak, ben ali and gadaffi then that would make sense in a way.

However, some are of the view that obama via muslim brotherhood is actually competeing with gadaffi, amadinajad and formerly osama for leadership or "caliph" of the islamic world while at the same time already being the leader of the "western world" (ignoring for a second the fact that he, the left and the muslims all seek to destroy the west).

Devorah said...

Jesterhead: Dov Bar Leib can probably answer that, if he's around....

yaak said...

Thanks for the link.

However, what you wrote:

Rosh Chodesh Av this year has been calculated as the last date that Moshiach can come "quickly" - [something to do with Mincha Gedola] ...... and if He is not here by then, things will get much worse [G-d forbid].

I certainly never said this. Aderaba, it seems that this is a be'itah date - not ahishena. And I never said it will get much worse if he doesn't come by then. Was this idea taken from another blog?

Devorah said...

[quoting Dov Bar Leib on M.Paths]

One of the arguments that it might be this year is that Av 5771 is Mincha Gedolah of the 6th millennium. According to a shitah (method of calculation) of the Vilna Gaon, Mashiach ben David can no longer come Achishena, in a nice way without suffering, after Mincha Gedolah on Yom Shishi (12:30 pm on Friday). He therefore has to start coming b'itah (in its time with tribulation).

Ari Goldwag said...

The Gra doesn't say that. It's a misquote.

Dov Bar-Leib said...

Jesterhead45 is correct. The ten kings in Sefer Daniel have not yet arisen. They will only arise after the complete economic collapse of Malkhut Edom, the Western World in the 3rd year of the Shmittah cycle 5771. This could happen when "the mercantile ships go forth from Kittim", flotilla from Greece starting as early as next week, parshat Balak, after Rosh Chodesh Tamuz. If the military from Greece with the support from the population overthrows Greek Parliament in a coup and rejects the recently passed austerity measures, both the Euro and then the dollar will collapse in relatively short order. Or it could happen in another way. Either way the New World Order already has a plan: ten economic superstates, each with their own "governor" and currency. These economic superstates will be Free Trade Associations. So the Euro will be resurrected. NAFTA will have the amero and so forth. Only in Eretz Yisrael will a different leader arise or he is already there who will not fit the mold. That would be Mashiach ben Yosef. It will be only because of Mashiach ben Yosef that the world economy will begin to improve in the 4th year of the Shmittah cycle 5772. The world will hate him, and it will be through this that MBY will subdue Edom and destroy Amalek over a 3 1/2 year period. In Edom itself things will not be going so well. So an 11th horn either from Amalek or Yishmael will subdue 3 or the 10 governors, and take over the shebang and come chasing after Israel. If he is the European Armilus as opposed to the Erev Rav Armolgus, he will obviously be from Amalek, and the complete destruction of Amalek will proceed from there. If he is from Yishmael, he may be Barack Obama, maybe, or he may be a European Muslim, and he will end of killing MBY at the end of 3 1/2 years, and ben David will arise in Tihrei or Cheshvan of the year after the Shmittah year. Any questions? In short the Redemption starts full steam with the collapse of the dollar by Rosh Chodesh Av 5771??? This will definitely vary in accordance to HaShem's wishes, but I verily believe that the timetable will proceed in this manner give or take a couple of months. But a 60% chance that the dollar will be in serious collapse within the month

aaron.nanach said...

Did the Gra say that the ketz will be some time before Rosh Chodesh Av 5771 or was that a misquote?

Devorah said...

See Darkness is on the face of the Abyss

Anonymous said...

**** The Presidency of Barack Obama began at noon EST on January 20, 2009 when he became the 44th President of the United States. Three and a half years [a time and times and half a time] brings us to July 20, 2012 - Rosh Chodesh Av 5772. ****

Re: Av

This looks like a good place to note the time markers that commenced with this desolating inauguration.

January 20, 2009 to

Purim 5769 - 7 weeks
Pesach 5770 - 62 weeks
Tu B'Av 5772 (and Siyum HaShas) - 1290 days
Rosh Hashanah 5773 - 1335 days

Devorah said...

Wow, that's amazing, thanks.
I found this essay about the 1290 and 1335 days/Time Times and Half....

Leah said...


Anonymous said...

Thanks. I think that there will necessarily be multiple levels of interpretation that end up in same place. Kind of like the geula itself, a gathering together from the four corners of the earth.

What about end of the 2300? Or is it 2003?

If Dan 8.14 is to be read as until the eve of a [particular] morning, 2003 from a sign (meot), when the holy [nation] will be acquitted/vindicated... 2003 days from Pesach 5767 is 10 Tishri 5773.

Then perhaps

Until the eve of [Yom Kippur] morning, 2003 from a [particular] sign, and then the holy [nation] shall be vindicated/acquitted.

re: Shemot 13.9, "a sign (ot) upon your hand" and "and for a memorial between your eyes" both equal Israel - 541.

9. And it shall be for a sign to you upon your hand, and for a memorial between your eyes, that the Lord's Torah may be in your mouth; for with a strong hand has the Lord brought you out of Egypt.

Daniel said...

This is all very interesting. The presidency of Obama is clearly a significant sign. And don't forget, a very mysterious event occurred just 47 days after Obama's birth on the night of Sep. 19-20, 1961 (Obama was 47 when elected) and it happened with a married coupe that is racially identical to Obama's parents. ( Due to the rarity of these type of couples, and even much more so 50 years ago in the USA, this is very significant and strange timing. There is no such thing as a coincidence, therefore, this especially cannot be a coincidence!!! I don't know why I seem to be the only one that has taken note of this, but it certainly looks creepy and scary to me.

Devorah said...

Anonymous: did you read this post:

Case for 5772-based Geula Pt 8

[quoting from the comments there]

Chazak U'Baruch

Just to add something else to your comments:

The 12th cycle of the Daf Yomi ends on 14 of Av 5772, and the first day of the 13th cycle is Tu Be'Av.

For anyone who experienced the last siyyim, people felt that Mashiach was going to come in the Zechut of that great Kiddush Hashem.

The siyyum of the 12th cycle would actually take place on the night of Tu Be'Av 5772.

Something to think about.

Unknown said...

B"H When he comes Achishena, we will see how it is B'itah. The ikar is it should be teichef umiyad MMSH,

mErA said...

A time, times and a half of time it's the 3 years of the Jewish/Roman war and the ten kings before the little horn are the ten emperors preceding Titus Flavius Vespasian's empire. This is according to Rashi.

Moriah said...

We know there were thousands of prophet's in Eretz Israel but only the one's included in TaNaCh apply to ALL time -- meaning OUR time. Rashi did not live outside of time and only had historic perspective and was not a prophet. These prophecies are Divinely inspired by the Creator Himself for all Jews for all time periods going forward.

Dov Bar-Leib said...

The Targum Yonatan did not live to write a peirush on Sefer Daniel. Thank G-d the economic Depression of the 3rd year was canceled. Negative prophesies can be canceled. Greece never sent those ships. Papandreou had a good relationship with Netanyahu. By not sending forth the flotilla, he spared the entire world a gut-wrenching economic calamity from which Eretz Yisrael would not have been spared. But the prosperity in Eretz Yisrael in the 5th year (5773) both in Ruchniyut and Gashmiyut cannot be canceled since it is a positive prophesy. So there has to be a massive shift in the last three months of 5772 for that to occur. Now Sefer Daniel speaks of 70 sevens. And it is painfully obvious that the last seven is this same Sabbatical cycle of the 11th horn. And Sefer Daniel seems to divide up Obama's rule into two halves. The first half is almost complete. The last 3 1/2 years will be different. It seems that that 3 1/2 years started from when he took the oath as President of the US. So we shall see what transpires. And it should be pointed out even if we count the first ten aluphim of Edom as the first ten horns (for those who take the historical approach), the tenth Aluf was Rome, Magdiel. Aluf Iram never materialized to lead America whole into Yemot HaMashiach. St. Iram was trounced by Romney in the primaries especially in states that grant ketubot to mishkav zachar. Aluf Iram, the 11th but righteous prince of Edom never had a chance. Instead America gets.... the sleazy slimy half iron (Xtian) half clay (Muslim) 11th horn. All the kinder and gentler Gogs are gone with the wind because of our own lack of common decency. We now get the real garbage and Paro look alike trying to prevent the world from disintegrating and the 11th horn who is anti-Gog, trying to distribute America's wealth amongst the 3rd world. Since the 20th of July is Rosh Chodesh Av, this Tamuz should be mighty interesting. I am holding by The Targum Yonatan who never got to write his peirush on Daniel. Rashi was a Rishon, but he was not the Targum Yonatan.

joshwaxman said...


"Rashi did not live outside of time and only had historic perspective and was not a prophet."
But many say Rashi wrote with ruach hakodesh. And at the very least, Rashi, who commented on most of Talmud, was aware of the gemara in Megillah 14a you cited. And still he wrote what he did.

That gemara basically states:
(a) Question: There were more Nevi'im! "There was a man from Ramasayim Tzufim" - one of Ma'atayim (200) Tzufim (seers) who prophecized to Yisrael!
(b) Answer: There were many more; a Beraisa teaches that there were more than a million Nevi'im. A prophecy which was needed for all generations was written (this applies to only 55 Nevi'im), one which was not needed for generations was not written.

Here is how Rashi there on the page of gemara explains it:
נבואה שהוצרכה לדורות - ללמוד תשובה או הוראה וכל הנך מ"ח הוצרכו
"prophecy needed for generations: to learn from it teshuva or instruction (in law), and all these 48 were needed."

In other words, not all the prophecy is yet unfulfilled. 'Needed' encompasses
a variety of religious needs.

kol tuv,

Moshe said...

I've heard that a month before coming of Mashiah will be particularly difficult time. Today is Rosh Hodesh Tammuz and I felt all day long that something unusual is going on. Today was the hottest day in New York. When I came to my office AC broke and nobody came to fix it all day long. When I came back home finally there was no hot water in my apartment. Please share if you feel also unusual things. Baruch Hashem tomorrow is Shabbat. May this month be easy for all of us and coming of Mashiah Tsidkeinu. Shabbat Shalom.

Moshe said...

WOW! I can't believe it, I just found out that no cold water in the sink and no hot water in the shower. I never saw this before. WOW! :)

Devorah said...

Testing times....

Anonymous said...

Tit was a rather hot day from many unusual cold days for this time a year to a sudden being tried in a furnace like the sun day humidity was really bad